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PES 2016 and the Delayed Roster Update

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Asim’s thoughts on PES 2016’s roster update saga…

UPDATE: 29/10/2015

So the data pack/roster update is now out, but the transfers are only accurate up until 30th August. That means any moves made by players on 31st August and 1st Spetember (window closed at 6pm in the UK) are not present in the game. Even taking out the fact that the update has come almost six weeks after the release of PES 2016, this is (as I said originally) completely unacceptable for a modern sports game. High profile transfers like Anthony Martial to Manchester United (one of the licensed teams in the game) are not reflected with this update. There are plenty more too. Someone told me 99% of the transfers are correct (still not an acceptable figure), but given that many deals happen on the last two days around the world I’d imagine that’s not accurate at all.

As I type this I’m being bombarded with tweets from unhappy people (paying customers), and I completely understand their frustration. In fact, I’m with you guys in acknowledging that this is inexcusable. I’ve been vocal about PES 2016 being very good (it still is), shouting from the virtual rooftops about it, so it’s only fair an issue/blunder like this be highlighted as well. It’s a crying shame given the quality of the game, but it’s seemingly minor things like this that make it hard for many people to transition from FIFA to PES. Whatever you think about EA’s game, they are always on point with stuff like this.

There’s this perception that Konami are the bumbling fools whereas EA are the professional ones. With incidents like this happening regularly, it’s hard to argue with that sentiment. It’s frustrating though as I know many hard working people at Konami, yet this type of thing impacts them and (more importantly) the product negatively. It’s sad to say, but until issues like are sorted and not seen as the norm, very few people outside the hardcore PES fan base will take it seriously as an alternative to FIFA. Harsh, but true.

ORIGINAL: 27/10/2015

Note: This is purely an opinion piece on PES 2016’s delayed roster update. It’s not about the quality of the game. If you want to read my review it, please click here. Finally, I shouldn’t need to state this, but I will. All thoughts are my own and influenced by no other individual(s). 

As I sit in my room writing this, on 25th October, it’s been more than a month since the release of PES 2016 in the UK. Five weeks and two days to be exact. In the gaming world that is a long period of time. Since its release, Ubisoft has launched another Assassin’s Creed (with two day one patches), plus Rock Band and Guitar Hero have made a return. Oh and Halo 5 is about to come out. See, told you, it’s a long time in this industry. However, when it comes to PES 2016, Konami has yet to release a patch that would update the severely out of date rosters in the game. That, even if you love the series, is bitterly disappointing and (to put it bluntly) inexcusable.

Konami announced the delay to the roster update a week after PES 2016 launched, stating it will be available 29th October, on (wait for it) the same day FIFA 16 (their direct competitor) came out in the UK. You couldn’t make it up. Unbelievable. I remember the day vividly as my Twitter notifications went crazy, with angry fans tweeting me all sorts. There was plenty of abuse, mainly because I’m close to the series and someone who works on the game, but I chose to (mostly) brush that to one side. It’s the Internet after all. That’s not the point of this piece though. I’m not here to say some of the tweets and posts were unacceptable (they were), it’s more about giving my opinion on the situation after the streams of boiled piss have mostly come to a halt.

The abuse aside, I can actually understand people’s anger. It’s not the end of the world or anything, but I can understand. Buying any sports game, let alone PES 2016, and having to play with a year old rosters for over a month is just something that should not be happening. FIFA 16 had a downloadable roster update available immediately, even its trial version. NBA 2K16 features a newly designed court/arena that hasn’t been officially shown in a competitive league match yet! It’s crazy. In a world where day one updates and patches are commonplace, paying customers shouldn’t have to wait this long. It shouldn’t be any more complicated as a team doing all the necessary transfers and then pushing them out on live servers for everyone to download. Done, but that’s not the case here.

Worse of all it hinders enjoyment of the game’s main single player mode, Master League. I know many people (me included) who are still waiting to start their campaign because of this huge delay. It’s infuriating because the game itself is so good. Currently sitting pretty with an 88 Metacritic score, PES 2016 deserves all the praise it’s received (I love it too), but this situation leaves a sour taste in the mouth of fans across the world. This is why people, fans and paying customers are angry. Sure, you can go into edit mode and do all the transfers yourself, but you shouldn’t need to. You can understand the situation with kits, it’s Konami locked out of licenses by EA. That’s fine. The community gets that; hence the great work from sites like PES World and PES Universe. This roster update thing, well, it’s something else entirely.

What’s the deal then? What exactly happened? Well, it’s hard to know for sure. Right now, the majority of fans think it’s down to a lack of planning on Konami’s part. I’ve seen the “typical Konami” line on Twitter and forums probably around a few thousand times now. It’s a shame to see that sentiment being thrown around by people, but it’s justified. How can you look at what’s happened with the roster update delay and think anything else given Konami’s recent history with PES? The simple answer is you can’t. Given the game was released in November last year with a day one update, the lack of planning theory makes the most sense to me. Perhaps it’s as simple that. It sounds silly, but maybe someone forgot the game was launching a couple of months earlier this year. If so, that’s poor. It’s a strange one though, because when I was reviewing the game I was told there would be a day one roster update. That would mean something went wrong between then (shortly after gamescom) and the launch of PES 2016. Hmm, this could be a case for Mulder and Scully.

The other theory is that it’s some sort of technical issue in regards to how the data works. Personally, I don’t think that’s it, but if it is then someone at Konami needs to pipe up and make the update process a simpler one. Seriously, as I said earlier, it shouldn’t be any more complicated than a team updating data at their end and then pushing it through the public servers. It’s how all modern sports games work! That’s why, whatever the reason, it’s inexcusable. Hopefully someone at Konami knows what the issue is now. If so, whether it’s a simple mistake or technical issue, they need to make sure it doesn’t happen again with PES 2017. Delay the game if need be. Just don’t make the same mistake twice. Oh and if it does, don’t use the gameplay quality as a shield to hide behind and deflect amateur-looking mistakes like this.

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Rei Camões
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Rei Camões

Absolutely no respect for all Systems. Ever! Since Seabass was out of konami’s department there is no compassion from konami. You all get burned by the god in the future. If you like it or not. Is watching you making bad things to the people like the pc fans. Ignore… Read more »

maarten zegstroo
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maarten zegstroo

I’m done with all the stuff. Finally…after a few years I loved the game at first sight. So I bought the game at launchday. It would be better to buy the game second handed next week. The season of PES will start then and not already in september. I think… Read more »

Rei Camões
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Rei Camões

Playstation 4?
Because for PC is totaly disaster. People send 50 Euros for the game and we get nothing then a clone of PES 2015, and the PES 2015 Gameplay was superior. Barbie videogame from Mega Drive is better and fun then this.

maarten zegstroo
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maarten zegstroo

Yes ps4 Rei. The game itself feels great. A lot better than 2015. Everything smoother…but waiting for the roster update made me feel like a pesfan-loser. 😉

Rei Camões
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Rei Camões

That’s the reason konami just for us to buy PS4. NEVER EVER!

Ken Jones
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Ken Jones

I guarantee you that the winter transfer data pack is released a good month and a half after the transfer window closes in January. PES has got to be the only sports video game that doesn’t have a downloadable roster update that can be saved. You shouldn’t have to wait… Read more »

R10
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R10

Agree!

Casperld
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Casperld

Ive waited to start ML too, but 2 things have happened. I still cant get my head around why people are okay with the GKs in PES2016. They are horrible. So the first thing and probably the nail in the coffin is that even when the patch come I probably… Read more »

Caniggia
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I’m fine with them on manual shooting, because it takes a completely different approach to scoring on manual and then keepers actually do their job well. I’ve noticed that keepers are very bad when the attacker gets a lot of space in the area. But if enough pressure is put… Read more »

maarten zegstroo
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maarten zegstroo

Same here….witch tweaks made fifa your game? I’m still hanging between A.I. godmode and A.I. scoreless-losers. But I’m almost there…:)

yunus emre
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yunus emre

Konami has done something unacceptable every year. Maybe they have lots of austists/aspies in their staff.

elvir kurtovic
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elvir kurtovic

BEST GAME EVER GOOD JOB KONAMI I WILL NEVER BY FIFA BULL CRAP ONLY KONAMI I’M WITH KONAMI 20 YEARS AND I WILL ALWAYS BUY KONAMI SOCCER GAME JUST PLEASE ADD CROATIA DINAMO ZAGREB LICANSED THANK YOU…..

Holy Ghost
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Holy Ghost

Thanks for your input my bhatti..

elvir kurtovic
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elvir kurtovic

Mr Bhatti please tell konami to add Dinamo zagreb an croatia licansed i’m with konami 20 years a go i love it

Holy Ghost
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Holy Ghost

Wtf..??
Lost in translation comes to mind.. & ive been with konami/winning eleven from the beginning too.. But i refuse to give my hard earned money to a company who release a below par game & lie/let down their loyal fans every year..

elvir kurtovic
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elvir kurtovic

ME TO FIRST I PLAY 1998 KONAMI SO PLEASE ADD CROATIA LICANSED

Barry Mulligan
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Barry Mulligan

Come back when you think the coast is clear. It’s unbelievable that you and everybody else reviewed this game were blind to so many problems with the game. As for your review, it’s null and void- it should never have appeared on metacritic except perhaps the user section as you… Read more »

AsimT
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AsimT

Yup, I can’t think or give any opinions of my own when it comes to PES. All influenced by Adam. Same with PES 2014 and PES 2015. Totally. *sarcastic face*
Pathetic. Believe what you want, even if it’s wrong. Whatever makes you sleep at night.

Barry Mulligan
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Barry Mulligan

You know Adam on a professional and personal level. You have mentioned that he is your ‘friend’ previously. So your position has been compromised somewhat. I’m not trolling, just disappointed at this year’s iteration. And this game is every bit as bad as last year’s. Adam and everybody in Konami… Read more »

AsimT
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AsimT

“Ulterior motive” and “may as well have been reviewed by your boyfriend Adam Bhatti” – yeah, sure you’re not trolling. Sure. So what if I know Adam on a professional and personal basis? I’m very open about it, and it sure as hell doesn’t impact my opinion on the game… Read more »

Barry Mulligan
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Barry Mulligan

Well you’ve insulted me twice now calling me pathetic, that’s very hypocritical of yoy. You’ve also misquoted me twice in your little rant. And I actually think you may have something to answer to. You contributed a review of PES2016 for gameradar. I see that you’ve been a member for… Read more »

AsimT
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AsimT

Not called you pathetic, what you’re saying and how you’re acting. A difference. I don’t have anything to answer to or have to justify myself to you. However, in the interest of being open, I’m do freelance writing for GamesRadar. I did the PES 2015 and PES 2016 reviews, hence… Read more »

Barry Mulligan
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Barry Mulligan

There isn’t any conspiracy theory. It’s a game and your review was your opinion which you’re fully entitled to. Also, I’ve no interest in your personal life. The key word that you used was ‘integrity’. Yes, I have questioned yours. For someone in your position to and to keep your… Read more »

AsimT
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AsimT

Clearly there is. Well, with you anyway. You just need to look up and see that. It’s clear as day what you’re trying to do. Yes, integrity is a key word. I have no issue reviewing something a friend has worked on. Adam is not my only friend in the… Read more »

Barry Mulligan
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Barry Mulligan

Well you clearly don’t know what I’m trying to do. I’m simply questioning your integrity and credibility, which in my opinion are things you don’t possess. For how many of your ‘friends in the industry’, do you run a fan site for? Actually, scratch that- I don’t care, I’ll let… Read more »

GariNGB
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GariNGB

How old are you? You sound like a little spoilt child and someone that needs to log out, turn off your computer and step outside. You sound like a very angry person that needs to (excuse my French) get their shit together. So apparently (according to you) we are running… Read more »

Strlngerbell
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Strlngerbell

My opinion is you should jog on. You dont like a video game fine, no need to have a hissy fit about it though. I also see that you created an account here just to troll and yell at people. Care to explain?

Barry Mulligan
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Barry Mulligan

Nice try Stinkerbell. I’ve been on the boards since 2009, I just didn’t have a Disqus account. I just signed in using my Gmail account because it was easier. Is that explained clearly enough for you?

Strlngerbell
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Strlngerbell

Dear me 2009! This confirms my fears, you are actually an adult and carrying on like this about a video game? The horror…

Barry Mulligan
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Barry Mulligan

The irony of you trying to troll me isn’t wasted on me. As Asim would say ‘pathetic’.

Strlngerbell
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Strlngerbell

Well at least you learned something from all of this, cheers bruv.

Caniggia
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I guess there are a lot more people saying the game is good than there are saying it is bad, if not the metacritic (for example) would have been much worse. Also critics tend to write more than people that are positive and that doesn’t reflect the metacritic either. So… Read more »

AsimT
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AsimT

A fair statement. See, this is how to have an adult discussion and make a point.

NizamLFC
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NizamLFC

It’s wholly unacceptable to wait this long for the roster update. Like most I have not started ML as a result. There are some very good things about the game like there was with PES 2015 but I’m still undecided as to which is the better game. Unlike most I… Read more »

bestlloyd
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bestlloyd

Hope when you start you’re ML, you don’t play in the premiereship, if you do I hope you don’t mind playing night games.Because at the moment that’s all you get is night game after night game.Don’t know why thay have changed things this year. Know we all know in uk,… Read more »

Evren Huner
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Evren Huner

This article is just mind manipulation. Konami is to blame for the delay but the gameplay is great, Konami you did wrong but the gameplay is great, Konami this that but the gameplay is great…Thats all I see in this article. Gameplay is not great Asim! Its 2015 and in… Read more »

William Gardner
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William Gardner

It’s a joke. This was the first year I really, really pushed my FIFA mates into trying out PES, and it worked! Then, that press release came out and they all basically laughed, and went back to FIFA. It’s one thing letting down fans, but what’s more shocking is that… Read more »

Holy Ghost
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Holy Ghost

Due to the constant fuck ups every year konami/pes has fallen so far behind fifa that they will never catch up unfortunately.. Pisses me off as i have been a fan since Goal Storm.. But i have no loyalty to konami.. I will buy the best football game.. Which is… Read more »

R10
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R10

I totally agree. Another thing that bothers me is that Konami has the Champions League and Europa League licences yet you cannot play with the actual teams and groups that are in them. Instead your are stuck with teams that either are not qualified for the competitions or with fake… Read more »

ILovePES
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ILovePES

Just ask Adam what went wrong considering you’s are best buddy’s.

pantherJOE99
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pantherJOE99

Just shows what a hateful, entitled, infantile group this “community” has become, when Asim has to pre-empt an opinion piece with “Finally, I shouldn’t need to state this, but I will. All thoughts are my own and influenced by no other individual(s).” Gamers are constantly demanding respect, without ever actually… Read more »

AsimT
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AsimT

Thanks, dude. Appreciate it.

M.CJC
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M.CJC

I hope they have fixed the goalkeepers and the ai of defenders. Troughballs are so easy in this pes. Pingpong football is not the vision of pes!

sdfd
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sdfd

The game is not perfect, even gameplay wise. An 88 metacritic rating (48 people), but a 7.2 USER rating (517 people)! Shite online, completely dated and terrible. Just point black terrible online, 2/10 stuff. Online is a complete joke, It would take me too long to break it all down… Read more »

Caniggia
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We are playing a totally different game online then. I’ve had 3-4 laggy games out of 150 games. I’ve only played passing assistance off / manual players in the divisions mode. The game has a very high learning curve and that is very rewarding for us who enjoy the manual… Read more »

4trazzel
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4trazzel

The gameplay is still sucks like fifa13 14 just cross and scored bullshit

4trazzel
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4trazzel

This game so faked the cup don’t gave people a chance to have a fair game, passing its liked lottery. The cpu don’t recognized a short or long pass…always slowing down the passing when it feel like it, slow down the players when goin’ towards the ball, the attackers always… Read more »

M.CJC
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M.CJC

They have to work on the shooting system. The speed of a shot is onrealistic fast and the directions are to much the same. Shots are like gunshots in pes. Every shot on goal must be unique and different, so please konami do something about it!

kamlesh gk
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kamlesh gk

I think Konami screwed up. But then its not much of a big deal to me. For 1 month, I totally enjoyed PES 2016 by playing the Copa Liberitidores and Konami League by adding all the Latin American teams. The Latin American teams especially the Brazillian teams are super hard… Read more »

farhanishak
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farhanishak

I don’t understand why the Online Teams can be fully updated unlike the Offline Teams. Attached is a screenshot of a Seasons Online game I had against Man Utd on 27 October. It clearly shows Martial is in the team.

VnCo CS1977
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VnCo CS1977

Well said

Kahn
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Kahn

They did not fix the gameplay either. Konami lied again. They said goalkeepers and referees will be fixed today. Nothing happened. It looks like the devs are not finishing their work and then they give sth incomplete to apologize in the next moment and winning time. But this is a… Read more »

Este19
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Este19

It would be bad enough if it was simply that the rosters were accurate as of 8/30. It would be very bad. Unacceptable, in fact. But it’s even worse than that. Ivan Perisic is a free agent in this patch. He was never a free agent this summer. He transferred… Read more »

Valentin Ionita
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Valentin Ionita

game is ,at best, unplayable on PC in its most advertised mode: my club. if the game gets more lag and unresponsivness well see matches starting from minute 90 and going back in time to 1″. this is pure garbage and all the reviews are nothing but lies. might be… Read more »

Aggaz
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Aggaz

Talking about next year PES already they do this every year just stop being lazy bastards and get this one fixed

Holy Ghost
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Holy Ghost

I commend yor Sir Asim for being honest.. Thank you.. We need more people like you speaking the truth.. I have sadly had to buy fifa for the past 3 years.. Because I will not accept a version of pes which is not good enough.. I dont think fifa is… Read more »

Valentin Ionita
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Valentin Ionita

playing myclub feels like you are having your hands with your controller submerged in tar.
so unresponsive you could die.

4trazzel
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4trazzel

The dribling system are too slow for the defenders in this game ….they’re moving like a straight bullet